‘I found the images disturbing, hard to justify, but there needs to be a proper process of investigation that’s fair to everyone involved,’ Andy Burnham tells us
Come on The Mill - you pride yourselves on open unbiased journalism. This is why I became a member.
However, you just can’t seem to do this over the GMP.incident at the Airport. It’s crystal clear who is responsible. Two males from a “Pakistani” background were involved in not one but two serious incidents and the Police were going to arrest both. Not only did they violently attack 3 police officers, two of them females (brave boys), but who in there right mind attacks “Armed” officers. One exceptional male officer had to fight simultaneously two males, who were battering him. He could have drawn his weapon and shot both of them. He indeed showed tremendous restraint and chose to ensure he disabled them . As brutal as you and other people who have never been in that position think what he did was absolutely correct .
There can be no doubt he feared for his and his two colleagues lives.
The implication of the beating they would have been given or the taking of their firearms gives me the shivers.
I agree that the new footage shows that the police came under attack and responded. And of course it's an incredibly difficult job, especially in those sorts of circumstances.
That doesn't mean that their conduct is automatically blameless, though. The fact the officer has had a criminal investigation opened against him says there is a case to answer. Almost certainly cases will also be brought against those who began the violence. We still don't have all the facts - which is why an investigation needs to be carried out as quickly as possible.
The police are there to de-escalate situations and use appropriate force to prevent any (further) harm from coming to themselves or others. The officer tasered them, there is absolutely no justification for then kicking them in the head and stamping on them. It sounds like you are looking for Batman to run around beating the shit out of people
For once,the MEN should be commended for it's balanced reporting, unlike the Mill. I am disappointed that the Mill has chosen to slurp down one side's narrative rather than wait to see actual facts emerge. Please can you also remind your readers of this dubious, self promoting lawyer's background? A fan of Andrew Tate's views on women, that *70% of hell will be occupied by women" and mocking domestic abuse, A really nice, fair minded guy don't you think?
I don't really follow the thread of your comment Clare. I agree that we wait for facts to emerge - all we've said is that it's clear that people will jump to judgment. As for Yakoob, he's only of minor relevance to this story now that he's stood down hence only a paragraph on him, but we mention that "he’s been investigated by our sister paper in Birmingham over his links to a known criminal and his associations with a convicted stalker". There's a much fuller investigation into him here: https://www.birminghamdispatch.co.uk/p/the-missing-detail-meet-akhmed-yakoobs
Can we stop pretending that the new footage is new information?
We already knew at the time of the first video that the bloke had just been resisting arrest and had punched 3 police officers. That had been included in all the early reports.
Don’t really understand your position. A cut down video went viral, protests ensue, context clearly justify arrest - but people hadn’t seen that footage yet.
Isn’t this a story about not jumping to conclusions, and therefore social media?
I agree. It's obvious the first video was cut to be as shocking as possible but the simple fact is whatever else had occurred, the officer was completely out of control and in the wrong. I don't want to live in a society where if the police believe I have committed a crime they can try to cause me head trauma as revenge
I agree in parts. In general, if we are in the middle of a fight I started against officers smaller then me kicking (and vice versa) is an appropriate and proportionate action to win the fight. The time between taser and kick is tiny, enough to know for certain the taser will win? Not my job to know, but it was the police officers.
If they merely believe I have committed a crime, obviously, don’t kick me please and thank you.
This man felt sufficient empowerment, impunity, and freedom from the law to attack the people charged with keeping us safe. Difficult balance for society - would I rather live in fear of the police or of crime and how do we maintain the middle ground.
Come on The Mill - you pride yourselves on open unbiased journalism. This is why I became a member.
However, you just can’t seem to do this over the GMP.incident at the Airport. It’s crystal clear who is responsible. Two males from a “Pakistani” background were involved in not one but two serious incidents and the Police were going to arrest both. Not only did they violently attack 3 police officers, two of them females (brave boys), but who in there right mind attacks “Armed” officers. One exceptional male officer had to fight simultaneously two males, who were battering him. He could have drawn his weapon and shot both of them. He indeed showed tremendous restraint and chose to ensure he disabled them . As brutal as you and other people who have never been in that position think what he did was absolutely correct .
There can be no doubt he feared for his and his two colleagues lives.
The implication of the beating they would have been given or the taking of their firearms gives me the shivers.
The Asians have shown no remorse.
Get off the fence and support your Police
I agree that the new footage shows that the police came under attack and responded. And of course it's an incredibly difficult job, especially in those sorts of circumstances.
That doesn't mean that their conduct is automatically blameless, though. The fact the officer has had a criminal investigation opened against him says there is a case to answer. Almost certainly cases will also be brought against those who began the violence. We still don't have all the facts - which is why an investigation needs to be carried out as quickly as possible.
The police are there to de-escalate situations and use appropriate force to prevent any (further) harm from coming to themselves or others. The officer tasered them, there is absolutely no justification for then kicking them in the head and stamping on them. It sounds like you are looking for Batman to run around beating the shit out of people
For once,the MEN should be commended for it's balanced reporting, unlike the Mill. I am disappointed that the Mill has chosen to slurp down one side's narrative rather than wait to see actual facts emerge. Please can you also remind your readers of this dubious, self promoting lawyer's background? A fan of Andrew Tate's views on women, that *70% of hell will be occupied by women" and mocking domestic abuse, A really nice, fair minded guy don't you think?
I don't really follow the thread of your comment Clare. I agree that we wait for facts to emerge - all we've said is that it's clear that people will jump to judgment. As for Yakoob, he's only of minor relevance to this story now that he's stood down hence only a paragraph on him, but we mention that "he’s been investigated by our sister paper in Birmingham over his links to a known criminal and his associations with a convicted stalker". There's a much fuller investigation into him here: https://www.birminghamdispatch.co.uk/p/the-missing-detail-meet-akhmed-yakoobs
Can we stop pretending that the new footage is new information?
We already knew at the time of the first video that the bloke had just been resisting arrest and had punched 3 police officers. That had been included in all the early reports.
Don’t really understand your position. A cut down video went viral, protests ensue, context clearly justify arrest - but people hadn’t seen that footage yet.
Isn’t this a story about not jumping to conclusions, and therefore social media?
I agree. It's obvious the first video was cut to be as shocking as possible but the simple fact is whatever else had occurred, the officer was completely out of control and in the wrong. I don't want to live in a society where if the police believe I have committed a crime they can try to cause me head trauma as revenge
I agree in parts. In general, if we are in the middle of a fight I started against officers smaller then me kicking (and vice versa) is an appropriate and proportionate action to win the fight. The time between taser and kick is tiny, enough to know for certain the taser will win? Not my job to know, but it was the police officers.
If they merely believe I have committed a crime, obviously, don’t kick me please and thank you.
This man felt sufficient empowerment, impunity, and freedom from the law to attack the people charged with keeping us safe. Difficult balance for society - would I rather live in fear of the police or of crime and how do we maintain the middle ground.
Unfortunate typo in the opening line of ‘the big story’.